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| Alfonzo II |
EBOR 24Hr Endurance Eventhttp://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17047Shame it's so soon after the Petit, because it's got Team LBC all over it, non? LOTS of interest in this one. No good for us lot though is it. Is it??   
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| Zipper |
It also clashes with an LBC date, so no tour by the LBC crew. Shame though as it looks interesting! | ||
| BenH |
Hey? LBC Date? What LBC event is on the 31st Jan?
I would love to do this. Working out the lap time decrease required to perform a full tyre and shock change! Jamming in the biggest longest running LiPo's the world has ever seen, having spare Electrics ready to swap out in the space of seconds to prevent over heating. Sounds like some well prepared use of the brains could counter the terrible driving. Also the one car. Can only be one of two cars - I would imagine. Needs to be one that the most parts are readily available trackside. BJ4 - Will have spares from B44, B4 and ACS4 to use. Houses 4400 Saddles too. Prepared motor mounts complete with motor and electrics stuck to it. Could do an entire electric and slipper clutch swap out in 40seconds! I wanna go! |
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| Zipper |
Whoops... my mistake! 
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| Alfonzo II |
Strategy would be really important for a 24 hr event. We used to do some team endurance events wayyy back in the day which were great fun. Ooo - I want to go and take part now
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| ben |
That does sound great
I agree BJ4 or B44 would be way to go - best bet would be to buy a nearly new one between us. 'Driver of the Team' a democratically chosen master of enduro racing, pit stops, coffee making and staying awake gets to keep it at the end! 2wd would be more reliable & efficient but I doubt the time saved in maintenance & battery pit stops would equate to the time lost on the track? This would be a biggy, organisation & money wise - are ten of us brave or foolish enough?! If not there's always 'The Players'. Three day event at Worksop at the end of March. Lap racing for the top 32 drivers (rules us out then  )...
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| BenH |
Here's my plan: - I will supply the chassis. Excludes Oil, wheels and Tyres. - FOC. I will supply a Front AC Shock tower. (Valued at £20max) It will replace the BJ4 standard front end. Added to spares pot - It's bullet proof so if it's not snapped, I don't care, no money out the pot 
3 x Pots. - 1 x Electric; 1 x Spares. 1 x Tyres/Inserts/Wheels Spares Pot. (To be decided/ agreed) 6 x Front wishbones - 501x - Bullet proof - These will last a lot longer than the associated and take much more abuse. 6 x Rear Wishbones - Standard BJ4/B4 etc 6 x Packs of steering knuckles. 1 x Pack of Tonys screws for BJ4 2 x Gear box's 3 x Spare Bevel Gear sets. (Only 1 sitting as back up pre-made) 2 x Spur Gears 1 x (Take 1 spur gear from above) Fully made slipper clutch, with ball cups. 4 x Hub carriers. 1 x Set of bearings. 1 x Spare Hinge pins Take Total value of spares, divide by team. Choice to either put cash into pot or spares to equivalent value. What's left over, get's returned to the evenly split retained value, or return spares contributed to same value. Electrics Pot 4 x Motor mounts with electrics pre-installed and ready for: - 2 assigned to pre-programmed stick controller; 2 assigned to pre-programmed wheel controller. This will ensure that stick and wheels can drive and they have time for motor cooling as and when required. All electrics are valued. Let's say £100 per used ESC and Motor combo (To be agreed) Any cooked, burnt out, comes out of the pot. But all returned at the end of the meeting in working order along with £20 (To be agreed) as well as their ESC motor combo. Brushless only and LiPo cut off a must (I will look to see if my transmitter can receive Car Battery power details)
Work out pairs and bring 1 x Set of 4400mah Trakpower Cells with you. If odd number - random draw for person not responsible for cells. random.org
Tyres, Inserts and Wheels. Pot With the above, I think we can get away with not having as many spare tyres due to the time saving made above. With the AC front tower, the 501x wishbones we will save a lot on breakages. 1 x POT of acetone - £10.00 - Should keep the cost of wheels down to about £30 Tyres and inserts. - Firm inserts - last longer - 5 packs - £10.00 Tyres - This is the debatable bit - But with the all of the above we could end up saving so much time - we can afford to run them longer losing lap time, gained by better preperation with the above. 10 person team. Up front cost per person = £10 entry, £2 motor contribution, 40minute run time on tyres £25.20 Each, £1.00 inserts, Wheels £4. Spares £20.00; £1 acetone £63.20 ish Per person. Or call it £70 for safe. All in and with a bit of luck, should get some change too.
With only one vehicle per 4 people, less fuel, and only carrying what we need, plenty of room for soft stuff, sleeping bags etc to grab those well needed 40 winks. I think it's possible. I think the car can be made strong enough. For rare parts not in the pot that don't tend to break, there will be 3 or four cars sitting trackside to butcher - just in case. With a pre-agreed "new price for not in spare parts pot replacement" An additional £10 per person to go into emergency funds pot. That way everything can be resolved at the track and avoids confusion and stops anyone being out of pocket.
Mini teams; will have a rotation set, getting everyone out marshalling, pit side and driving fairly. Each mini team has a Main guy, who will make the decisions on whether to swap wheels during a maintenance stop etc. They will be looking at tracktimes and assessing everything. After the 1st hour when the system breaks down and it all goes mental, we can leave 1 person doing everything and the rest go down the pub!. 
Each mini team will manage for 2 Hours (For aguments sake 9 driver, 3 teams of 3). That will be each driving for approx 15 minutes. Process - A1 - Drives, A2 - Marshalls and is pit man. A3 - Rests. After first run, pit for cell change. After second run, A3 drives, A2 goes to marshall and as soon as car is back on the track for A3, A2 rests and the cycle continues. With 2 hours circulations, that will give a mini team of 3 up to 4 hours sleep at any one time. 2 Hours on. 4 Hours off. Maybe dull at the beginning for a few, BUT, will pay dividends in the 2am to 2pm slots. And finally, as BenC suggested a reward for the best. With a little friendly mini competition between the 3 mini teams, we will have something to strive for even if we are miles behind the rest.
And that is, without going even further into it, my plan
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| John Myall |
Ben, how is that you can put that much time and thought into a possible meeting, but you can't have you're car ready to go when you get to the track on a Sunday, and have to build it there?
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| No. 46 |
we do an 4 hour endurance race at ipswich with the touring cars. They are great fun with the strategy. 24 hours would be mental. 4 hours is really hard work. How about hosting an endurance race at LBC or Coastal for something a bit different? | ||
| BenH |
You have hit the nail on the head there my man. Thinking about things, I can do. Doing things, I can't think about.
Stuff like this comes to me really easy. Also, If I am sitting at computer I can do this whilst doing other things. Being in a garage working on a car, it's too painful, I end up piddling about too much. On top of that, I have to set aside considerable amount of time to do it. It's not something I can do bit a time, I have to hit it all in one go. 
However, Petit, I am determined to have my cars ready.
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| John Myall |
More cups of tea on the way for young Mr East then
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| Spike |
OOOOOHHH Benny I'm soo tempted by your plan and hey I'm used to going racing after having about 2 hours sleep.... hey my whole life's run on 2 hours bloody sleep!!! Is there enough people who are mad enough to be up for it?? IT@S LIKE A WHOLE MONTHS RACING ALL IN ONE DAY HA HA HA HA and what's best is that I know I can get the go ahead from the missis
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| Spike |
Just thought, anyone know someone who's got a mini bus because as I'm a bus driver It might even work out even cheaper if we all went down together. | ||
| Alfonzo II |
I am tempted, sorely. BUT - I gotta be honest, money is an issue and it's so soon after Petit. My decision depends on how many others go for it probably. Oh, and the missus..
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| Chick Pea |
Spikette Has Given Mr Spike The Go Ahead If He Wants To!!
Can I Go Even If I'm Not Actually Taking Part? I Can Be Tea Lady! Hahahaha
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| Alfonzo II |
Ben - I don't know where to start really. Perhaps you should be running the country, I'm sure you'd do a better job than the current load of boll*cks
Anyway, Petit next weekend & I'm getting excited now. I don't want to see your car prep let you down, especially as you've put a lot of effort into getting the event sorted, so.. Al's Patronising Pre-Race Check List For Ben H Transmitter Charge it. Test it. Pack it! Pack the charger too if necessary. 12v battery/Power supply Charged? Pack it! Cells / Lipo's In working condition? Wires & connectors ok, no fraying or damage? Charge them. Pack them. Speed Controller Works? Setup correct? (Brakes, neutral etc) Wires & connectors ok? Motor Works? Wires all good? Wheels & Tyres Got the right tyres on the right wheels? Glue em. Chassis Spanner check all screws & bolts. Use threadlock 242 or similar on any machine screws prone to vibrating loose. Remove shock aborbers and check all wishbones move freely, no binding. Got the right shock pistons / springs / oil? oil need topping up? Re-attach shocks. Steeering all ok? Check ballcups / king pins etc make sure all free moving. Belt / Driveshafts all ok? Check tension, etc. Slipper clutch set ok? Pinion gear correct? Check meshing? (I sometimes remove the pinion gear to check the transmission is running nice and freely. Use a dab of threadlock to secure the grub screw on the pinion gear) That's a good start. Now watch as my car prep fails. I'll probably forget to pack the transmitter or something.
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| Zipper |
Do you remember Ben's preperation for the last Petit event....... 
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| BenH |
That is brilliant!!! I think a little wee came out!
No sh't I am now printing it out! AND I have scheduled some time with Zipper on Thursday to ensure I haven't done the, "it'll be alright" preparation.
No excuses this time. I want to turn up and have everyone feel comfortable with the conclusion, Hubbard's cars were in tip top condition, he just drove like a complete <insert common expletive> Besides, I have the John Myall car of 2008, 4WD Winner, Club Champs winner and WRS Champion winner. I have the cells from Mr East. I have the Moons aligned and a small warehouse of spares. No excuses, no bad luck. And for the first time, I want to get a least in the same final as Zipper. He has whooped me at theses events for too long! I have also set aside a budget for the hotel bar offering copius amounts of free drink to anyone whos forum name begins with a "z". |
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| Wiggles |
Hi all, No spare set up's will be allowed, the origional car parts will be marked and replacements when changed need to be re-marked , so only the broken bits can be changed, not whole front or rear ends!!!
I would say eight drivers and costing no more than £50.00 each as no rooms will be needed. I could / should get some help from DMS on the costs. one hour per driver on rotation 2wd (X^6) say 13.5 turn motor with the right lipo's should get half an hour ish between changes.. Five drivers in attendance while three rest.. Drivers list???????????? Paul Newman Daniel Newman EWS will pay the fuel and should be able to get a bus for the weekend FOC.. Post quick if anyone is intrested and we can all get Benh to sort the rest out?? Come on John and Andy ur club needs you! Wiggles.. |
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| John Myall |
You forgot it was the car of 2007 as well, 4wd Winner, Club Champs winner, 4wd R & R winner, LBC Masters winner, 3rd place and top F5 in the 2008 East of England Regional series, it goes on
Wiggles, it does sound like a bit of fun, I have the right car and motor here as well, 13.5 brushless in a X-6, but I can't get any more time off work till the start of April, when our holiday quota starts again 
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| Wiggles |
Yeh me too chassis wise and i'm sure with Mr G-speed and others we could cover the spares,
Shame John but you could go sick mate? I also have two 13.5 turn motors (brushless) Come on who's up for it???????????????????????????? Wiggles... |
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| Alfonzo II |
I am soooo damn tempted. | ||
| No. 46 |
I do believe the x6, 13.5 lipo combo would pay massive dividends. it would run for ages and would be so easy to drive. The gearbox would last the whole race if it were fresh built, and all there is nothing difficult to change on them.
Hour long stints would be an absolute killer. I reckon you could easily get the car to run for 20 minutes before the battery starts to go(a touring car around coastal lasts 17-18 minutes at full race pace with 13.5). The main issue in endurance racing is the weakest link. Generally the idiot behind the wheel. In the endurance races i have competed in previously my brain has been fried after the 20ish minute stints. It maybe easier with a buggy as they are easier to drive than a touring car but it will still take it out of you. As Al said its a shame its so soon after petit as i would be well up for this. An event like this has got Team LBC+1 written all over it. How about the LBC or Coastal off road 4 hour. 1 car, teams of 4 drivers, 1 seriously cut up track
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| Wiggles |
Dont be temped just post up if your going or not???????????
need eight to make it happen so come on boy's and girls?? Come on George we need ya mate. W.. |
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| Spike |
Yea Do It. like I said I'm annoyed at myself for not registering for Petit so would absolutely love to do this!!! You can count me in for definate but as Paul says we need to get a move on cos I looked on the entry form and it says there's only 12 teams allowed!!! C'MON GUYS!!! You know you want to  This is totally an LBC classic! Laps racing to the extreme.
TEMPUS NON SEQUITUR to the absolute max |
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| Wiggles |
Sorry all , Caroline's just reminded me that i will be at an away football game that day with Dan so we are dropping out of this one.
George could still get us a local one going later in the year??
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